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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hire the tribes to fight the Taliban. Monitor their progress and give award fees for outstanding work. Get rid of Karzai and his gang or just ignore him. Pour millions into intelligence and buy many drones with assorted missiles. Revive the sapper concept and underwrite the development of  more ranger and Seal battalions to strike from off-shore. Strike targets of Taliban opportunity with precision air strikes. Get our boys out of there. It&#039;s terrain is impossible to fight the war we must with the Taliban.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hire the tribes to fight the Taliban. Monitor their progress and give award fees for outstanding work. Get rid of Karzai and his gang or just ignore him. Pour millions into intelligence and buy many drones with assorted missiles. Revive the sapper concept and underwrite the development of  more ranger and Seal battalions to strike from off-shore. Strike targets of Taliban opportunity with precision air strikes. Get our boys out of there. It&#8217;s terrain is impossible to fight the war we must with the Taliban.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey Britain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoffrey Britain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I would just like to hear more compelling arguments for both sides.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; wisner

As would I. I&#039;m no expert but it seems to me that all of the reasons given are relatively minor aspects of the strategic situation.

It&#039;s true that tactically, Afghanistan in and of itself is of little concern to the west.

That said, there is little doubt in my mind that should Obama adopt George Will&#039;s prescription it will be just a matter of time till the Taliban reassert control over Afghanistan. The logical next consequence is the reemergence of Al Qaeda training camps and centers of operation and planning, just as before.

But that in my humble opinion is NOT the great danger, though it certainly would facilitate the danger to which I refer emerging. The great danger is nuclear terrorist attacks, i.e. Al Qaeda acquiring nukes.

Pakistan falling to the Taliban would greatly facilitate that eventuality coming to fruition.

Pakistan is in danger of falling to the Taliban, &lt;i&gt;at present, as we speak&lt;/i&gt;.

The Taliban is now intimately familiar with Pakistan and no longer look at its acquisition as a pipe dream but well within the realm of possibilities. Any future Taliban controlled Afghanistan government will inevitably look to the securing of control over Pakistan as a necessary &#039;insurance policy&#039; against future US aggression.

Iran&#039;s soon to come acquisition of nuclear capability makes the threat of Pakistan under Taliban control and providing Al Qaeda with nukes, no less a concern. We face multiple challenges with the announcement of Chavez&#039;s Venuzuela intent to pursue nuclear technology just the latest new threat.

Nuclear proliferation is now inevitable and it&#039;s just a matter of time till we experience a nuclear terrorist attack. As unpleasant a future reality as it is to contemplate, its as predictable as a Japanese Kubuki play. The various &#039;actors&#039; on stage will have it no other way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I would just like to hear more compelling arguments for both sides.&#8221;</i> wisner</p>
<p>As would I. I&#8217;m no expert but it seems to me that all of the reasons given are relatively minor aspects of the strategic situation.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that tactically, Afghanistan in and of itself is of little concern to the west.</p>
<p>That said, there is little doubt in my mind that should Obama adopt George Will&#8217;s prescription it will be just a matter of time till the Taliban reassert control over Afghanistan. The logical next consequence is the reemergence of Al Qaeda training camps and centers of operation and planning, just as before.</p>
<p>But that in my humble opinion is NOT the great danger, though it certainly would facilitate the danger to which I refer emerging. The great danger is nuclear terrorist attacks, i.e. Al Qaeda acquiring nukes.</p>
<p>Pakistan falling to the Taliban would greatly facilitate that eventuality coming to fruition.</p>
<p>Pakistan is in danger of falling to the Taliban, <i>at present, as we speak</i>.</p>
<p>The Taliban is now intimately familiar with Pakistan and no longer look at its acquisition as a pipe dream but well within the realm of possibilities. Any future Taliban controlled Afghanistan government will inevitably look to the securing of control over Pakistan as a necessary &#8216;insurance policy&#8217; against future US aggression.</p>
<p>Iran&#8217;s soon to come acquisition of nuclear capability makes the threat of Pakistan under Taliban control and providing Al Qaeda with nukes, no less a concern. We face multiple challenges with the announcement of Chavez&#8217;s Venuzuela intent to pursue nuclear technology just the latest new threat.</p>
<p>Nuclear proliferation is now inevitable and it&#8217;s just a matter of time till we experience a nuclear terrorist attack. As unpleasant a future reality as it is to contemplate, its as predictable as a Japanese Kubuki play. The various &#8216;actors&#8217; on stage will have it no other way.</p>
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		<title>By: Amillennialist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amillennialist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Addendum&lt;/i&gt;:

So much for those &quot;fiercely defensive&quot; Afghani tribes.

You don&#039;t think they were persuaded by love and sweet reason, do you?

They too were unable to resist jihad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Addendum</i>:</p>
<p>So much for those &#8220;fiercely defensive&#8221; Afghani tribes.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t think they were persuaded by love and sweet reason, do you?</p>
<p>They too were unable to resist jihad.</p>
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		<title>By: Amillennialist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amillennialist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 20:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;if the lesson of 9/11 is not that bad things happen when Afghanistan is left as a vacuum for regional players to fill with anti-American radicals, then what is?&quot;

Thousands of Americans dead.

More than fourteen thousand Muslim terrorist attacks since 9/11.

Hundreds of innocents, including women and children, butchered in Beslan.

Indonesian Christian schoolgirls beheaded to shouts of &quot;Allahu akbar!&quot;

70-80 million Hindus slaughtered.

The indigenous peoples of many nations and several continents enslaved or wiped out over 1400 years.

All of this suffering and death caused by not &quot;radicals,&quot; or an Afghani &quot;vacuum,&quot; but by Muslims obeying the command of Allah and imitating the example of Muhammad.

In other words, by Islam.

A resurgence in the global jihad waged -- as knowledge, zeal, and resources allowed -- around the world for nearly one and one-half millennia, and we were oblivous to it.

That&#039;s the lesson to be learned from 9/11.

And since our political, media, and academic &quot;leaders&quot; insist we bow before it, apologize to it, and subsidize it with American blood and treasure, it seems we&#039;re suicidally-poor students.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: &#039;Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah&#039;s help and fight them . . .&#039;&quot; (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294).

&quot;fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . &quot; (Qur’an 9:5).

&quot;Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued&quot; (Qur&#039;an 9:29).

&quot;The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter . . . &quot; (Qur&#039;an 5:33).  [Ibn Kathir says of this verse: &quot;&#039;Wage war&#039; mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil.&quot; So, Muhammad requires execution, crucifixion, or cutting off hands and feet from opposite sides for &quot;disbelief.&quot;]

&quot;Allah&#039;s Apostle said: &#039;I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah&#039;s Apostle . . . &#039;&quot; (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).

&quot;It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise&quot; (Qur&#039;an 8:67).

&quot;Allah’s Apostle said, &#039;I have been made victorious with terror&#039;&quot; (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220).

&quot;Allah&#039;s Apostle was asked, &#039;What is the best deed?&#039; He replied, &#039;To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad).&#039; The questioner then asked, &#039;What is the next (in goodness)?&#039; He replied, &#039;To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah&#039;s Cause.&#039; The questioner again asked, &#039;What is the next (in goodness)?&#039; He replied, &#039;To perform Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca). . .&#039;&quot; (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25).

&quot;Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone (in the whole of the world). But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do&quot; (Qur&#039;an 8:38; ayah 39 from Noble Qur&#039;an).&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if the lesson of 9/11 is not that bad things happen when Afghanistan is left as a vacuum for regional players to fill with anti-American radicals, then what is?&#8221;</p>
<p>Thousands of Americans dead.</p>
<p>More than fourteen thousand Muslim terrorist attacks since 9/11.</p>
<p>Hundreds of innocents, including women and children, butchered in Beslan.</p>
<p>Indonesian Christian schoolgirls beheaded to shouts of &#8220;Allahu akbar!&#8221;</p>
<p>70-80 million Hindus slaughtered.</p>
<p>The indigenous peoples of many nations and several continents enslaved or wiped out over 1400 years.</p>
<p>All of this suffering and death caused by not &#8220;radicals,&#8221; or an Afghani &#8220;vacuum,&#8221; but by Muslims obeying the command of Allah and imitating the example of Muhammad.</p>
<p>In other words, by Islam.</p>
<p>A resurgence in the global jihad waged &#8212; as knowledge, zeal, and resources allowed &#8212; around the world for nearly one and one-half millennia, and we were oblivous to it.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the lesson to be learned from 9/11.</p>
<p>And since our political, media, and academic &#8220;leaders&#8221; insist we bow before it, apologize to it, and subsidize it with American blood and treasure, it seems we&#8217;re suicidally-poor students.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;the Messenger of Allah . . . would say: &#8216;Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war. . . . When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. . . . Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. . . . If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah&#8217;s help and fight them . . .&#8217;&#8221; (Muslim Book 19, Number 4294).</p>
<p>&#8220;fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) . . . &#8221; (Qur’an 9:5).</p>
<p>&#8220;Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued&#8221; (Qur&#8217;an 9:29).</p>
<p>&#8220;The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter . . . &#8221; (Qur&#8217;an 5:33).  [Ibn Kathir says of this verse: "'Wage war' mentioned here means, oppose and contradict, and it includes disbelief, blocking roads and spreading fear in the fairways. Mischief in the land refers to various types of evil." So, Muhammad requires execution, crucifixion, or cutting off hands and feet from opposite sides for "disbelief."]</p>
<p>&#8220;Allah&#8217;s Apostle said: &#8216;I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah&#8217;s Apostle . . . &#8216;&#8221; (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 24).</p>
<p>&#8220;It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. Ye desire the lure of this world and Allah desireth (for you) the Hereafter, and Allah is Mighty, Wise&#8221; (Qur&#8217;an 8:67).</p>
<p>&#8220;Allah’s Apostle said, &#8216;I have been made victorious with terror&#8217;&#8221; (Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220).</p>
<p>&#8220;Allah&#8217;s Apostle was asked, &#8216;What is the best deed?&#8217; He replied, &#8216;To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad).&#8217; The questioner then asked, &#8216;What is the next (in goodness)?&#8217; He replied, &#8216;To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah&#8217;s Cause.&#8217; The questioner again asked, &#8216;What is the next (in goodness)?&#8217; He replied, &#8216;To perform Hajj (pilgrimage to Mecca). . .&#8217;&#8221; (Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 25).</p>
<p>&#8220;Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone (in the whole of the world). But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do&#8221; (Qur&#8217;an 8:38; ayah 39 from Noble Qur&#8217;an).</i></p>
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		<title>By: Tim Kerr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 04:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a country! I like your comments about Alexander. He was astute enough to enlist the aid of the various tribes. But even he knew that his tribal allies were only his allies while he had the means to employ and pay them - and when they shared an enemy. Of course, he did not have drones and high-tech aerial views that the USA and other countries have today. Interestingly, the attitude and treatment of women seems little changed since Alexander&#039;s time - and that was pre Mohammad and Islam. A few Christian soldiers and followers&#039;-on aren&#039;t going to change that attitude much!

Of course, the question is - shall we stay - or shall we go. The answer is probably &quot;don&#039;t know&quot;. Alexander did not stay long (a couple of years I think). He just wanted a secure route to India. If you stay - your countrymen get pissed off. If you leave.... someone else will move in. Does that matter? In some ways yes. YOU lose any foothold and give up some security within the whole region. In another way, no, it doesn&#039;t matter..... Afghanistan has always had an invader of one sort or another. I YOU leave, then Afghanistan will still be fighting, it will just be some other invader.

Of course, one of the reasons why the country always seems to have an invader is its tribal nature. An invader can always call upon someone to provide material, accommodation, food, transport -and troops. For payment. And that is where you make a telling point. Afghanis respect individuals (up to a point) but they have no respect for anonymity of drones and badly placed missiles....

The best answer may be yes, stay - but keep troops on the ground and keep the body count down to acceptable numbers. A difficult task....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a country! I like your comments about Alexander. He was astute enough to enlist the aid of the various tribes. But even he knew that his tribal allies were only his allies while he had the means to employ and pay them &#8211; and when they shared an enemy. Of course, he did not have drones and high-tech aerial views that the USA and other countries have today. Interestingly, the attitude and treatment of women seems little changed since Alexander&#8217;s time &#8211; and that was pre Mohammad and Islam. A few Christian soldiers and followers&#8217;-on aren&#8217;t going to change that attitude much!</p>
<p>Of course, the question is &#8211; shall we stay &#8211; or shall we go. The answer is probably &#8220;don&#8217;t know&#8221;. Alexander did not stay long (a couple of years I think). He just wanted a secure route to India. If you stay &#8211; your countrymen get pissed off. If you leave&#8230;. someone else will move in. Does that matter? In some ways yes. YOU lose any foothold and give up some security within the whole region. In another way, no, it doesn&#8217;t matter&#8230;.. Afghanistan has always had an invader of one sort or another. I YOU leave, then Afghanistan will still be fighting, it will just be some other invader.</p>
<p>Of course, one of the reasons why the country always seems to have an invader is its tribal nature. An invader can always call upon someone to provide material, accommodation, food, transport -and troops. For payment. And that is where you make a telling point. Afghanis respect individuals (up to a point) but they have no respect for anonymity of drones and badly placed missiles&#8230;.</p>
<p>The best answer may be yes, stay &#8211; but keep troops on the ground and keep the body count down to acceptable numbers. A difficult task&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Exper1Mental</title>
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		<dc:creator>Exper1Mental</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 23:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with Mr McClellan&#039;s views as well as Mr Will&#039;s statements. Both take for granted that the US and NATO should have a say in the running and future of Afghanistan. Furthermore, they both assume that the Afghans and their people are just going to turn to radicalism as soon as the foreign presence is removed.
Bombing and controlling Afghanistan from a far is a ridiculous notion, while the &#039;stick it out till they quit&#039; strategy 1) has been proven ineffective and 2) will just make a costly war even more costly (in terms of human lives) than anything any radical anti-west country could ever hope to achieve.
 Mr. McClellan mentions Megas Alexandros and points to what is described even in Steven&#039;s books, that in order to rein in Afghanistan he had to control the tribes. The thing is not even he managed to ever subdue Afghanistan, their tribes or even his unruly tribal wife to his will and so he had to compromise. But the US won&#039;t compromise, for them now it is &#039;subjection or destruction&#039;. Anything less and it is defeat.
The Afghan people are not war-loving radicals that wish fire and brimstone to be hailed on the west, they are intelligent, peaceful people that want some freedom of choice about their country&#039;s future. So why not compromise and help int he way the west can help...i.e. through educating their nation and providing aid (monetary and otherwise). This sounds like an option even the most radical Afghan would settle for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with Mr McClellan&#8217;s views as well as Mr Will&#8217;s statements. Both take for granted that the US and NATO should have a say in the running and future of Afghanistan. Furthermore, they both assume that the Afghans and their people are just going to turn to radicalism as soon as the foreign presence is removed.<br />
Bombing and controlling Afghanistan from a far is a ridiculous notion, while the &#8217;stick it out till they quit&#8217; strategy 1) has been proven ineffective and 2) will just make a costly war even more costly (in terms of human lives) than anything any radical anti-west country could ever hope to achieve.<br />
 Mr. McClellan mentions Megas Alexandros and points to what is described even in Steven&#8217;s books, that in order to rein in Afghanistan he had to control the tribes. The thing is not even he managed to ever subdue Afghanistan, their tribes or even his unruly tribal wife to his will and so he had to compromise. But the US won&#8217;t compromise, for them now it is &#8217;subjection or destruction&#8217;. Anything less and it is defeat.<br />
The Afghan people are not war-loving radicals that wish fire and brimstone to be hailed on the west, they are intelligent, peaceful people that want some freedom of choice about their country&#8217;s future. So why not compromise and help int he way the west can help&#8230;i.e. through educating their nation and providing aid (monetary and otherwise). This sounds like an option even the most radical Afghan would settle for.</p>
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		<title>By: wisner</title>
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		<dc:creator>wisner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure I agree with all of your arguments here (I appreciate your willingness to share them.  My dissent or questioning of them should not be interpreted as accepting George Will&#039;s arguments either, rather a step to discussion of the topic).  First, I don&#039;t see China or Russia wanting anything to do with Afghanistan.  Russia has enough to deal with with their share of Central Asia and their former ...stans.  their interests seem to lie with Georgia, Ukraine etc...(no expert here but a quick look over Russia&#039;s actions lately seem to indicate their intentions).  Pakistan has always used Afghanistan as a buffer against potential Indian incursion...let them have it.  Herat has always seemed to be more of a protectorate of Iran.  I just don&#039;t see the regional players getting too involved.  Afghanistan seems to have been the truck stop of caravans and invading armies on to bigger and better things.  Could it be used to house anti-American radicals?  Yes, it could go back to that.  However, is that the only reason or is it a good enough reason to stay?  If it is why haven&#039;t we done similar actions in other countries with anti-American radicals?  Will staying or leaving increase the radicalism within the country?  That Afghan cheif you spoke to who said he could clear his valley of Taliban for the cost a single missle...did you happen to read &quot;Killing Bin Laden&quot; by Dalton Fury?  This, on the ground Delta commander, might have some interesting insight on that comment from the tribal cheif.
As I said earlier, my comments should not be read as support for George Will&#039;s argument.  I would just like to hear more compelling arguments for both sides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure I agree with all of your arguments here (I appreciate your willingness to share them.  My dissent or questioning of them should not be interpreted as accepting George Will&#8217;s arguments either, rather a step to discussion of the topic).  First, I don&#8217;t see China or Russia wanting anything to do with Afghanistan.  Russia has enough to deal with with their share of Central Asia and their former &#8230;stans.  their interests seem to lie with Georgia, Ukraine etc&#8230;(no expert here but a quick look over Russia&#8217;s actions lately seem to indicate their intentions).  Pakistan has always used Afghanistan as a buffer against potential Indian incursion&#8230;let them have it.  Herat has always seemed to be more of a protectorate of Iran.  I just don&#8217;t see the regional players getting too involved.  Afghanistan seems to have been the truck stop of caravans and invading armies on to bigger and better things.  Could it be used to house anti-American radicals?  Yes, it could go back to that.  However, is that the only reason or is it a good enough reason to stay?  If it is why haven&#8217;t we done similar actions in other countries with anti-American radicals?  Will staying or leaving increase the radicalism within the country?  That Afghan cheif you spoke to who said he could clear his valley of Taliban for the cost a single missle&#8230;did you happen to read &#8220;Killing Bin Laden&#8221; by Dalton Fury?  This, on the ground Delta commander, might have some interesting insight on that comment from the tribal cheif.<br />
As I said earlier, my comments should not be read as support for George Will&#8217;s argument.  I would just like to hear more compelling arguments for both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
		<link>http://agora.stevenpressfield.com/2009/09/knowing-when-to-stop-or-learning-how-to-win/comment-page-1/#comment-1923</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Mr. McClellan.  I would also refer readers to another warrior&#039;s take on this situation.  Ralph Peters wrote an excellent piece in &quot;The Journal of International Security Affairs,&quot; Spring 2009, number 16 titled &quot;Wishful Thinking and Indecisive Wars&quot; that speaks to this issue as well.  In the article Mr. Peters writes, &quot;Our enemies cannot defeat us in direct confrontation, but we appear determined to defeat ourselves.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Mr. McClellan.  I would also refer readers to another warrior&#8217;s take on this situation.  Ralph Peters wrote an excellent piece in &#8220;The Journal of International Security Affairs,&#8221; Spring 2009, number 16 titled &#8220;Wishful Thinking and Indecisive Wars&#8221; that speaks to this issue as well.  In the article Mr. Peters writes, &#8220;Our enemies cannot defeat us in direct confrontation, but we appear determined to defeat ourselves.&#8221;</p>
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